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Figuring out what's wrong with shutter (Yashica-Mat LM)

Started by Brownman, Jul 01, 2010, 02:22 PM

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Mareklew

Jul 06, 2010, 07:33 PM #15 Last Edit: Sep 20, 2024, 01:00 AM by smf_adm
Identifying parts II:


 
description follows in next post.

Mareklew

Jul 06, 2010, 08:46 PM #16 Last Edit: Sep 20, 2024, 01:00 AM by smf_adm
Pin 1 releases the shutter when moved inwards. Lever 2 with pin 3 is responsible for B setting. In position as it is now it will 'catch' the main latch in 'open' position (you can't see the interaction easily).
Part 4 is the main delay catch.

Mareklew

Jul 06, 2010, 09:06 PM #17 Last Edit: Sep 20, 2024, 01:00 AM by smf_adm
- Pin 11 sits on shutter activator ring. This ring moves clockwise to open the leaves and ccw to close them again. it sits below the floor now, you can see it through gaps around the center part, between number 11 and 3. Flushing shutter with naphta u

Donyet

Jul 07, 2010, 01:51 AM #18 Last Edit: Sep 20, 2024, 01:00 AM by smf_adm
Hi Marek,
 
I tried wiggling the levers you mentioned with a toothpick and they are all pretty jammed. It feels jammed in a mechanical way as opposed to old grease.
 
I did notice one thing that may give you a clue. When turning the aperture r

Mareklew

Jul 07, 2010, 01:41 PM #19 Last Edit: Sep 20, 2024, 01:00 AM by smf_adm
I put a lot of work in describing things. Invest at least equally much time in answering all my suggestions with your observations, not only the very last sentence.
 
Else all my attempts to help you are void.
 
Marek

Donyet

Jul 07, 2010, 03:17 PM #20 Last Edit: Sep 20, 2024, 01:00 AM by smf_adm
Hi Marek,
 
Sorry about that.
 
When I moved pin 7 gently, it felt jammed but there was a very slight movement of the gears in the area between 8 and 9.
 
Moving the main shutter release lever did nothing I could see, and I noticed th

Donyet

Jul 07, 2010, 03:22 PM #21 Last Edit: Sep 20, 2024, 01:00 AM by smf_adm
When I mentioned lever 3 I meant pin 3.

Mareklew

Jul 07, 2010, 04:47 PM #22 Last Edit: Sep 20, 2024, 01:00 AM by smf_adm
AAAAAAAAAARGH 15 minutes typing and board server returns an error :/
 
1) does anything happen when you press pin 1 towards shutter center?
 
2) nothing -> When pin 1 is pressed towards center, can you move lever 4 clockwise? (use a small scre

Mareklew

Jul 07, 2010, 06:11 PM #23 Last Edit: Sep 20, 2024, 01:00 AM by smf_adm
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8859/201003232103005611.jpg
 
The yellow metal is the X-Sync contact. The half-circle pin is connected to activator ring, as

Donyet

Jul 08, 2010, 03:52 AM #24 Last Edit: Sep 20, 2024, 01:00 AM by smf_adm
Hi Marek,
 
Here is the report so far:
 
I looked at the X-contact area and everything seems to be there and in the correct position.
 
You: 1) does anything happen when you press pin 1 towards shutter center?
 
Yes, the shutter re

Mareklew

Jul 08, 2010, 09:07 AM #25 Last Edit: Sep 20, 2024, 01:00 AM by smf_adm
I'm out for a day, so more will follow later:
no, it's not bad news. The rest of the shutter is pretty much unbreakable by user input, so if the retarder is okay after cleaning, I'd say you are facing a stripdown but chances to fix it are

Donyet

Jul 08, 2010, 01:36 PM #26 Last Edit: Sep 20, 2024, 01:00 AM by smf_adm
Hi Marek,
 
I soaked the retarder overnight, only because I had placed it in the fuel right before going to bed. The gears seem to be working this morning when pin 8 is nudged towards the center. I don't know how much movement I should be expec

Donyet

Jul 08, 2010, 01:48 PM #27 Last Edit: Sep 20, 2024, 01:00 AM by smf_adm
The little 2/5 part-round gear below pin 7 may not be meshing well with the small black gear it is in contact with. There is barely perceptible movement of this gear when I nudge pin 8 towards center. Nudging pin 7 or lever 6 barely moves anything, the

Mareklew

Jul 08, 2010, 07:00 PM #28 Last Edit: Sep 20, 2024, 01:00 AM by smf_adm
No, it doesn't Lever 6 moves in a healthy shutter by some 45-60? (1/8th-1/6th of a full turn) causing all other gears to spin several times around.
 
Pin 8 only switches gears, like the gearbox in a car. When pressed 'in' (towards center of

Donyet

Jul 09, 2010, 02:50 PM #29 Last Edit: Sep 20, 2024, 01:00 AM by smf_adm
Hi Marek,
 
I'll soak the retarder in WD40 per your earlier instructions, as something is still binding it.
 
Is there anything else I should do to the retarder at this point? Is it too risky to take it apart, or at least for a newby lik